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Vin Di Carlo And Pandora’s Box Reviewed

Vin DiCarlo

A first I had high hopes that perhaps Vin DiCarlo and his new Pandora’s Box personality system would dethrone Mr. L. Rx and his Dating To Relating system as the #1 system for approaching and meeting women. Even though Vin DiCarlo evolved from a PUA background, I thought he may have seen the light and learned how things really worked. His eight different personality types and his website that trains you on each had a ring of workability about it that seemed to surpass Dating To Relating in simplicity of approach if nothing else.

But after studying and applying Vin DiCarlo’s Pandora Box system for about two months now, I am not sure that I can even recommend it in overall value over my existing #2 recommendation, David Deangelo and Double Your Dating. Though I feel that Vin Dicarlo’s  approach is definitely superior to David Deangelo’s approach, I feel that the combined study of Dating To Relating and Double Your Dating is still superior to the combined study of Dating To Relating and Pandora’s box.

However, as a system I would say I definitely would put Vin DiCarlo and Pandora’s Box ahead of The Mystery Method (or Love Systems) and Neil Strauss’s materials.

Vin DiCarlo

The problems I had with Vin’s system are:

1)      The eight types didn’t seem to fit all women. I could continually come up with exceptions to his typing scheme.  His thoughts and research I found to be very useful in understanding some women I knew, but overall the system has gaps in “personality typing.”

2)      The intention of the system seems to be tied into PUA philosophy which I don’t agree with. PUA philosophy is sort of a chauvinistic, macho philosophy that wants to use women for a man’s pleasure.  PUAs are into sex with lots of women more than they are into meeting the ideal woman and establishing a relationship with her.

Now, don’t get me wrong. There is nothing wrong with this if that is what you are into. But I am not, and I don’t think the majority of men are into that either. I believe the majority of men are just like me and want to know how to meet the woman of their dreams and marry her and never lose her. So I believe the majority of men need a product that addresses this.

Vin Dicarlo, says conflicting statements on this. He says that his system is so powerful that men have to be responsible with his system and not hurt women with it, but I think this was just sales hype rather than true intention. His true intention comes out when he states the goal of the Pandora’s Box System. Vin says that “We defined the goal of Pandora’s box System as TOTAL DEVOTION … and by total devotion I mean she is willing to give up her current life plans, and devote her entire being to supporting you on your journey … making you her first priority above everything else, including her family.”

Now this may sound cool to an immature guy who lacks experience in relationships, but I have had TOTAL DEVOTION and it is quite insane and not needed or wanted. I am looking for a woman who is my equal, my companion and friend, my soul mate if you will,(and who just happens to be really hot!) I don’t want the zombie/slave thing…Been there, done that. No good!

Mr. L. Rx’s system can be used by PUAs to achieve the zombie/slave thing if that is what is wanted, or to just get laid every night, but what I respect about Mr. L. Rx and Dating To Relating, is that this is not the goal.  So a PUA and a man like me can both get what we want out of Dating To Relating, because Dating To Relating’s focus is on understanding women and attracting and communicating to them effectively. Dating To Relating doesn’t have a hidden agenda to manipulate and control women, although it can be used for that if that is your wishes.

3)      Another problem I had with Vin Dicarlo’s Pandoras Box is that although there is an appeal of a website that tells you everything to do with the personality type, his “typing” software didn’t work well. I entered in several girls and answered all the questions correctly, yet it came back with a type that wasn’t the right one. I had to go to the manual and read his materials to figure out the right type.

4) Then there is the cost. Vin Dicarlo’s system is way more expensive then Dating To Relating. The core Pandora’s box system is $69.95 ,  but the killer is you have to pay $24.77 a week to get the full system (totals about $800.00) and you have to wait a week to get each video on the different personality types. (Takes 8 months to get all the videos.)

So, all in all, Vin’s system does not replace Dating To Relating  as the best, and although I like his approach, I think I still recommend David Deangelo’s materials (especially the dating guru series because some of the guys in that series also have a personality approach) above Vin DiCarlo’s materials.

I would like it if Dating To Relating II (Coming out some time next year, I hear) would come out with some more defined types, but, all in all, Dating To Relating’s strength is  that it is a floating personality system with types you can define for yourself and in relation to you.

In fact, Mr. L. Rx writes a dating advice column for newspapers and here is a short article that he wrote about personality based systems for meeting and relating to women:

Question: Mr. L. Rx, there are some other dating gurus who have personality based approaches to meeting women. I tried **** and **** but they didn’t get anywhere near the eighty to ninety percent results that you claim for your system. Since you also champion the use of approaching different women with different strategies, can you tell me why these systems didn’t work very well?

Answer: Our system is a technology not a strategy.  From a technology you can develop strategies. The systems that you refer to are strategy systems and will work better than the dating gurus who have one strategy for all women, but won’t work as well as our technology.

For a “personality” based system to work it has to consider several things that the above systems don’t consider.

1)      People have a social personality and a real personality. Interviewing people isn’t a good way to assess the truth about personality because people don’t tell you the truth. Also the things that people say and the way that they act when you first meet them is not their true personality. There are ways to get at this information quickly, but you have to be cognizant of the fact that people have social personalities and real personalities to get at this information. The Dating To Relating technology allows you to do this.

2)      Both men and women have variable personalities. For any personality based system to be effective in establishing long term relationships (not one night stands) you have to take into account the personality of the man who is approaching in addition to the personality of the woman who is being approached. The systems you refer to do not have such a variable. They simply characterize women into different groups but then don’t account for the different personalities among the men who are approaching these women.

3)      There are a lot more personality types than the eight and three personality types that the two systems you refer to above respectively divide women into. There are at least ten major personality types that I have approached and probably another twenty, or so, types when you count the personality types that are variations on the above themes. In addition to that, you have the problem that even within a personality type you will not always get consistent behavior. People within the same personality type can express themselves differently. You need a way to account for all of this.

4)      There are also situational variables. There is actually no such thing as a “personality type”. People usually are a compilation of several different personality types and exhibit behavior of several different personality types in different situations. So a person may be one personality type when alone, another personality type when with friends, yet another when at church, etc.

For all of the above reasons, this is why a technology is needed that can develop strategies on the fly rather than just memorizing approaches to a limited number of personality types. This is what “Dating To Relating” is. It is a technology of how to meet and relate to women and a way of developing an unlimited amount of your own strategies of how to meet and relate to women. It is not one strategy (which is what most of the dating guru systems are) and not a collection of strategies (which is what a few of the better dating guru systems are).

Having said that, however, the systems that acknowledge and use multiple personality strategies are vastly superior to most of the dating systems out there.  Most of the systems espouse one strategy and as a result will only work ten percent of the time. The systems that acknowledge and use a number of dating strategies will improve upon that success ratio considerably.

I would encourage you to study any of these kinds of systems as long as you integrate it with the Dating To Relating technology.  Integrating these other systems with “Dating To Relating” technology will allow you to fill in the gaps that these systems will have and give you a fuller understanding or what is really going on.

Mr. L. Rx

Vin DiCarlo And Pandora’s Box – Final Analysis

In the final analysis I believe that all the things Mr. L. Rx has written in the above article apply to Vin DiCarlo’s Pandora’s Box System. I give Pandora’s Box and Vin Dicarlo a 5.8/10.

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David Deangelo Product Reviews

David Deangelo

I have been following and buying David Deangelo products since about 2001. Products I have  bought are (let’s see how good my memory is) :

Double Your Dating
Interviews With Dating Gurus
Cocky Comedy & Other Conversation Skills
Advanced Dating Techniques
Man Transformation Dvd Program
Body Language For Success With Women And Dating
Power Of Sexuality
On Being A Man
Mastery With Women And Dating
Approaching Women And Starting Conversations
77 Laws Of Success With Women And Dating
Deep Inner Game
Meeting Women Online
Become Mr. Right

Meeting Women In Bars And Clubs
Attraction Isn’t A Choice

Now I have to say all this stuff cost me a pretty penny (well over $1000 even though I bought some of it used online). Still I think it is all valuable data and worth what I paid for it. The product I got the most from is his “Interviews with Dating Gurus”. The bottom line, however, is that none of it increased my game to the extent that the simple $39.95 book “Dating To Relating – From A To Z” by Mr. L. Rx did.

But after having learned Mr. L. Rx’s basics (which are superior to Deangelo’s basics) I have to say that I still value and use Deangelo’s materials. I find that once you get the correct basics down that all the Data Deangelo gives can be put in perspective and used correctly. That is what gives it value.

David Deangelo – Double Your Dating

Deanglo products probably did “double my dating”,  but Mr. L. Rx ten times it.

I will be doing more David DeAngelo product reviews in the future.


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“Daytime Dating” Review – From Love Systems’ Jeremey Soul

Daytime Dating

Love Systems is coming out with a new book “Daytime Dating”. I will be purchasing it and reviewing it here. In the meantime if you can’t wait  get a copy of DayTime Dating here.

It is suppose to be about how to approach women on the street in the daytime etc. I don’t hold much hope for it, for the guys at Love  Systems are all a bunch of 10% ers (They don’t know how to get 80-90% closes) so they continually come up with strategies that will work, but usually just 10% of the time (hence 10% ers)

Stay tuned for the review.

Daytime Dating

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Review Of Daytime Dating

9/1/10

Ok, I finished Daytime Dating.  Pretty much as I expected from the “Love System” crew. First of all, it is a workable system. Let’s say that. Everything that the Nick Savoy, Mystery, Neil Strauss (not part of Love Systems) gang puts out is workable. But it is only a 10% workable system.

Nobody in this whole crew has ever figured out that women have different personalities and different personalities require different approaches.   This book is about the guy and his approach. It treats all women as if they are the same. And if there is ever an acknowledgment in this book that women have different personalities, it is more a defeatist acknowledgment. Sort of like “Oh well,if she is like that, can’t win them all.”

If you really want to know how to do daytime dating with a high chance of success and a real chance at developing a relationship later, then I recommend Mr. L. Rx and “Dating To Relating – From A to Z.” “Dating To Relating” has chapters that cover virtually the same thing, but from the viewpoint that you have to do different things when you encounter different women. (On that note I will be reviewing another advocate of the fact that women have different personalities shortly – this would be Vin DiCarlo and Pandora’s Box. )

But back to “Daytime Dating”. There is a definite system here. It is just that it is a “10 percent” system. They only have one approach (as if all women are the same and should be approached the same) and it will only work on about 10% of women. Now that is good for guys who have no game at all, but with Mr. L. Rx’s system I have been able to score about 75-80% of my targets in any situation – day or night.

Here, for example is  Jeremy’s daytime approach: “Get her attention politely, explain how you came to notice her and pay her a small, but genuine physical compliment.” He talks about “indirect approaches” but lays the choice off on whether you feel comfortable with direct or indirect approaches rather than which approach works for which personality.

His system is of course built on the “Love System’s Triad” and he makes some distinction between day and night approaches and why they are different (situational variables) but he just doesn’t seem to get that women have different personalities and to have a real successful technique you have to approach different women differently.

So the book cost me $79 on “sale (regular price is to go up to $97) so from that viewpoint it cost exactly twice as much as “Dating To Relating – From A To Z” cost me and gave me approximately 1/100 the usable data. And even if we focus on “Daytime Dating” it gave me a daytime dating strategy that will get me 1/10 the women that the “Dating To Relating” system gets me.

So do I recommend it? No. I think it is pretty much a waste of money for the price. You would do much better buying both “Dating To Relating” and “Double Your Dating” and you get can both books cheaper than just Jeremy’s (about $40 cheaper).

Does it have any value buying Daytime Dating it in conjunction with”Dating To Relating” and “Double Your Dating”?

No, not really. It has 164 pages single spaced so it is not a Tiffany Taylor fluff-job, rip-off, but it just doesn’t have anything of real value you can’t get elsewhere cheaper.

So  my advice is to stick with “Dating To Relating – From A To Z.” if you really want to learn daytime dating.

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Tiffany Taylor

Judge for yourself. Watch this Tiffany Taylor – Guy Gets Girl – Video.  This video is pretty much like the book – very general and doesn’t really say much.  Read my review of Tiffany here.  Watch another “fluff” video for Guy Gets Girl here.

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Guy Gets Girl

Ok, so is Guy Gets Girl a Scam? Read my review here. Watch this video.

This video is just like the book. A lot of fluff to take up time but it says absolutely nothing.

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Double Your Dating

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Double Your Dating is an awesome compilation of data for men.

This is the largest compilation of data to help men ever assembled in one place. Besides the original product David DeAngelo now has scores of other products to help men overcome their fears and “wussiness” with women.

I personally bought his original product and his Dating Guru Interview series on CDs that come out monthly. There is a lot of value in David’s products. I think it is a perfect complement to my # 1 Pick – Dating To Relating, and I would recommend to anyone who has the extra money to get this product in addition to Dating To Relating. (continue)

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David Deangelo

David Deangelo Promises To Double Your Dating!

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David Deangelo has put together an awesome compilation of data for men.

His  Double Your Dating site is the largest compilation of data to help men ever assembled in one place. Besides the original product David DeAngelo now has scores of other products to help men overcome their fears and “wussiness” with women.

I personally bought his original product and his Dating Guru Interview series on CDs that come out monthly. There is a lot of value in David’s products. I think it is a perfect complement to my # 1 Pick – Dating To Relating, and I would recommend to anyone who has the extra money to get this product in addition to Dating To Relating.

The reason being that Dating To Relating teaches you how to develop your own techniques and David Deangelo and Double Your Dating gives you a lot of data to help stir your creative juices to help you develop those unique techniques. DavidDeangelo has a free daily newsletter that is absolutely great.

The downside is that David Deangelo hasn’t quite put it all together as well as Mr. L. Rx. and although there is a lot of truth in his volumes of data, he ultimately focuses on a strategy and doesn’t quite get the situational approach of Mr. L. Rx. So, David’s approach will work for some guys, but it isn’t a system that will work for ALL guys – Mr. L. Rx’s system is a system that will work for ALL guys and ALL types of girls.

For example, David’s approach didn’t quite work on the “girl next door” types that I like. I tried it and it DID work on some snobby, bitchy girls in clubs, but ultimately I didn’t like these type of girls and I didn’t like being “cocky and funny.”

Also Mr. L. Rx’s data works for guys who want to be PUAs as well as guys who just want to meet a girl and settle down. My friend who is an expert PUA and has had sex with 1000s of women absolutely loved Mr. L. Rx’s stuff and got a lot of value out as it as well as my other friend who hadn’t had a date in about 15 years.  The first night after reading the book he went out and met three women in a club with astonishing ease.

Still, I would say David Deangelo and Double Your Dating is a MUST HAVE for any guy seriously trying to learn about women and dating. His “cocky and funny” technique may not work as well as Mr. L. Rx’s approach, but he gives you a lot of other data about such things as posture, attitude, attraction, how to dress, sexual communication, and various other observations that is invaluable. His interviews with Dating Gurus is also an invaluable source of data.

DoubleYourDating and DatingToRelating are the top two rated “Dating Advice for Men” websites (by traffic – see alexa.com rankings) and I think there is good reason for it. I stress again that getting both of these products is a smart idea. They complement each other and after you get these two products you won’t really need any other.

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“Dating To Relating” Reviewed

Dating To Relating – from A to Z

Absolutely the BEST product out there.

The education you get from this book is tops. No matter what you are looking for you will get the answers here. If you want quick brainless techniques – they are here. If you want sophisticated intellectual understanding of women – it is here. It is not just a bunch of pick up lines, and techniques (although it gives you that too.) It is a complete education about women and what works.

You will get the attitude, skills and knowledge that you need to handle your OWN personal situation from this book. Most of the other gurus just give you what worked for them, and and though their systems may work, the other guru’s systems fall short of telling you how to apply it to your own situation (unless you just happen to be exactly like them.)

What is unique about this book is that the techniques presented are SITUATIONAL and will work for any type of guy and they will work on any type of girl that you are interested in. So if you want to purchase a book that will have a very high probability of actually working for you, this is it. For Example, I have a friend who is a Pick Up Artist who has had sex with 1000s of women – He loved this book and learned a lot from it to improve his game.  I have another friend who has never read anything and hadn’t gone on a date in 10 or 15 years or so. He also loved it. He went out and had instant success the first night after reading it.

That is what we liked about this book and system. None of the other books and systems we reviewed had total SITUATIONAL data that covers ALL situations. The author, Mr. L.Rx, does not give you just one brainless technique of how to hit up on women in bars or clubs, or on the internet, or how to be successful with one personality type. He covers it all. From bars and clubs, to on the street, in the store, on the internet, etc.

Not only does Mr. L. Rx tell you how to meet women. He tells you how to meet different kinds of women with different kinds of personalities in different kinds of situations. No one else really does this.

Then he goes on and tells you how to attract them, date them, seduce them and establish the exact kind of relationship you are looking for. HE EVEN TELLS YOU HOW TO KEEP A GIRL YOU MEET. He tells you how to make relationships last and turn a girlfriend into a marriage. And for those of you who are interested – he even tells you how to have 5 of 6 girlfriends and keep them ALL without lying to any of them.

NONE of the other GURUS even venture into the RELATIONSHIP data. More importantly he shows you that “meeting women” and “keeping” them are related. The things you do while meeting women can determine if you will have a successful relationship or not.

Probably the best thing is he tells you how to develop your own technique, so you don’t have to do idiotic things that you don’t feel comfortable with. Personally I’m not in to super hot chicks, because most of the time they are just super “bitches.” I like the average girl, the girl next door. Mr. L. Rx’s writings allowed me to develop my own technique for these type of girls. And none of the techniques I read in other books worked on the kind of girls that I liked. In fact some of the other techniques “blew them away.”

I repeat this is absolutely the most complete and comprehensive product out there. And make sure you get his companion eReport “How I Got 700 Dates In One Year.” Unlike the book, it is just a “system” for meeting women in mass. It focuses on internet and personal ad sites to generate as many dates a day as you want. And just like his book, it works.
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DISCLOSURE: In case you are wondering. I get paid affiliate commissions if you buy books from links on my site, now of course I appreciate if you would use my links, but here is the disclosure:


The Tao Of Bad Ass (Joshua Pellicier) pays me ~ $50.
Pandora's Box Core System (Vin DiCarlo) pays me ~ $45,
Double Your Dating (Deangelo) pays me ~ $40,
Guy Gets Girl (Taylor) pays me ~ $40,
Routines Manual 2 (Love Systems) pays me ~ $30
Dating To Relating From A to Z (Mr. L. Rx) pays me ~ $20;
Neil Strauss and Ross Jeffries pay me nothing.

As you can see my reviews do not correlate with how much I get paid. Keep these affiliate commissions in mine when you read other reviews, as some reviews are not made to honestly inform you, but only to maximize profits.

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Mr. L. Rx Reviewed

Dating To Relating – from A to Z

Absolutely the BEST product out there.

The education you get from this book is tops. No matter what you are looking for you will get the answers here. If you want quick brainless techniques – they are here. If you want sophisticated intellectual understanding of women – it is here. It is not just a bunch of pick up lines, and techniques (although it gives you that too.) It is a complete education about women and what works.

You will get the attitude, skills and knowledge that you need to handle your OWN personal situation from this book. Most of the other gurus just give you what worked for them, and and though their systems may work, the other guru’s systems fall short of telling you how to apply it to your own situation (unless you just happen to be exactly like them.)

What is unique about this book is that the techniques presented are SITUATIONAL and will work for any type of guy and they will work on any type of girl that you are interested in. So if you want to purchase a book that will have a very high probability of actually working for you, this is it. For Example, I have a friend who is a Pick Up Artist who has had sex with 1000s of women – He loved this book and learned a lot from it to improve his game.  I have another friend who has never read anything and hadn’t gone on a date in 10 or 15 years or so. He also loved it. He went out and had instant success the first night after reading it.

That is what we liked about this book and system. None of the other books and systems we reviewed had total SITUATIONAL data that covers ALL situations. The author, Mr. L.Rx, does not give you just one brainless technique of how to hit up on women in bars or clubs, or on the internet, or how to be successful with one personality type. He covers it all. From bars and clubs, to on the street, in the store, on the internet, etc.

Not only does Mr. L. Rx tell you how to meet women. He tells you how to meet different kinds of women with different kinds of personalities in different kinds of situations. No one else really does this.

Then he goes on and tells you how to attract them, date them, seduce them and establish the exact kind of relationship you are looking for. HE EVEN TELLS YOU HOW TO KEEP A GIRL YOU MEET. He tells you how to make relationships last and turn a girlfriend into a marriage. And for those of you who are interested – he even tells you how to have 5 of 6 girlfriends and keep them ALL without lying to any of them.

NONE of the other GURUS even venture into the RELATIONSHIP data. More importantly he shows you that “meeting women” and “keeping” them are related. The things you do while meeting women can determine if you will have a successful relationship or not.

Probably the best thing is he tells you how to develop your own technique, so you don’t have to do idiotic things that you don’t feel comfortable with. Personally I’m not in to super hot chicks, because most of the time they are just super “bitches.” I like the average girl, the girl next door. Mr. L. Rx’s writings allowed me to develop my own technique for these type of girls. And none of the techniques I read in other books worked on the kind of girls that I liked. In fact some of the other techniques “blew them away.”

I repeat this is absolutely the most complete and comprehensive product out there. And make sure you get his companion eReport “How I Got 700 Dates In One Year.” Unlike the book, it is just a “system” for meeting women in mass. It focuses on internet and personal ad sites to generate as many dates a day as you want. And just like his book, it works.
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